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>   1. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a  Twisted
>      trademark (Jonathan Lange)
>   2. How-to raise errors with sshclient conch example  in Twisted
>      book (asset)
>   3. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a  Twisted
>      trademark (glyph at divmod.com)
>   4. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a  Twisted
>      trademark (Drew Smathers)
>   5. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a  Twisted
>      trademark (Gabriel Rossetti)
>   6. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a  Twisted
>      trademark (Chris Miles)
>   7. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a  Twisted
>      trademark (Simon Pickles)
>   8. Re: How-to raise errors with sshclient conch example      in
>      Twisted book (Kuba Konczyk)
>   9. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a  Twisted
>      trademark (Michael)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:09:20 +1000
> From: "Jonathan Lange" <jml at mumak.net>
> Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
>        preserve a      Twisted trademark
> To: "Twisted general discussion" <twisted-python at twistedmatrix.com>
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> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tim Stebbing <tjstebbing at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> More seriously, Emacs, Apache, Linux, Python, Debian and Ubuntu are
> >> all trademarked. The Emacs trademark is held by the FSF, bastions of
> >> ideological purity. So far, I've encountered only one person who finds
> >> this suspicious. Hi Tim :)
> >>
> >
> > 'other people do this thing so we should also do this thing' is not a
> > great argument. I'm not against the idea, I just have some questions
> > we're yet to have answered.
> >
>
> That's not what I said.
>
> You said "trademarks make people suspicious". I provided
> counter-examples, demonstrating that your statement is not true in the
> general case.
>
> jml
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:40:32 -0700
> From: "asset" <asset at impactdamage.com>
> Subject: [Twisted-Python] How-to raise errors with sshclient conch
>        example in Twisted book
> To: <twisted-python at twistedmatrix.com>
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> Ref: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Python/SSH-with-Twisted/4/ =
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>
> Im new to Twisted and am trying to learn as quickly as I can.  I apologize
> =
> if this question is a waste of anybody's time.
>
> When working the with sshclient.py example (from the Twisted book, and the
> =
> link above) I find the reactor hangs and does not raise an exception on
> con=
> nection failures or failed authentication.
>
> Ive been trying to work out how to catch these situations and shut down
> the=
>  reactor; or cleanup for another attempt, yet I cant seem to wrap my head
> a=
> round it.
>
> I imagine this is trivial and Im totally missing it.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thx,
>
> TKiel
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> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 03:43:39 -0000
> From: glyph at divmod.com
> Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
>        preserve a      Twisted trademark
> To: Twisted general discussion <twisted-python at twistedmatrix.com>
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> On 12:52 am, waterbug at pangalactic.us wrote:
> >I think trademarking "twisted" is a good idea, if only to have
> >a prior claim in the (unlikely) event someone else should
> >try to claim it for something in the context of software.
>
> Thanks.
> >I'm not enthusiastic about "twisty" as a naming standard for
> >anything -- partly from jml's observations and partly just some
> >aversion to it that I don't understand myself -- if I don't
> >mind "twisted", why would "twisty" bother me?  I dunno.
>
> I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself, personally.  I
> think we need some word to fill that role (the one that "Py" fills for
> Python) but please feel free to suggest something else.  It doesn't have
> to be a full word - "Py" isn't.  "Twi"?  (Quick, someone come up with a
> home lighting control project that uses twisted so we can have
> "TwiLight".)
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:10:10 -0400
> From: "Drew Smathers" <drew.smathers at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
>        preserve a      Twisted trademark
> To: "Twisted general discussion" <twisted-python at twistedmatrix.com>
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> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM,  <glyph at divmod.com> wrote:
> > On 12:52 am, waterbug at pangalactic.us wrote:
> >>
> >> I think trademarking "twisted" is a good idea, if only to have
> >> a prior claim in the (unlikely) event someone else should
> >> try to claim it for something in the context of software.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >>
> >> I'm not enthusiastic about "twisty" as a naming standard for
> >> anything -- partly from jml's observations and partly just some
> >> aversion to it that I don't understand myself -- if I don't
> >> mind "twisted", why would "twisty" bother me?  I dunno.
> >
> > I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself, personally.  I
> > think we need some word to fill that role (the one that "Py" fills for
> > Python) but please feel free to suggest something else.  It doesn't have
> to
> > be a full word - "Py" isn't.  "Twi"?  (Quick, someone come up with a home
> > lighting control project that uses twisted so we can have "TwiLight".)
> >
>
> I think "Twi" is problematic because it's on the cusp of becoming a
> word, or even worse, too easily mistaken for an acronym (and a rather
> pedestrian sounding acronym due to the closeness to the airliner TWA).
>  Also Twi SNMP, Twi Storage, and Twi Goodies all sound (and read)
> horribly as project names.  My vote is for just "Tw" or the word
> "Twist".
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:34:11 +0200
> From: Gabriel Rossetti <mailing_lists at evotex.ch>
> Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
>        preserve a      Twisted trademark
> To: Twisted general discussion <twisted-python at twistedmatrix.com>
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> glyph at divmod.com wrote:
> > On 12:52 am, waterbug at pangalactic.us wrote:
> >> I think trademarking "twisted" is a good idea, if only to have
> >> a prior claim in the (unlikely) event someone else should
> >> try to claim it for something in the context of software.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >> I'm not enthusiastic about "twisty" as a naming standard for
> >> anything -- partly from jml's observations and partly just some
> >> aversion to it that I don't understand myself -- if I don't
> >> mind "twisted", why would "twisty" bother me?  I dunno.
> >
> > I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself, personally.
> > I think we need some word to fill that role (the one that "Py" fills
> > for Python) but please feel free to suggest something else.  It
> > doesn't have to be a full word - "Py" isn't.  "Twi"?  (Quick, someone
> > come up with a home lighting control project that uses twisted so we
> > can have "TwiLight".)
> >
> I'm also not really fond of Twisty, why not just "tw"? For "Twisted
> Goodies" & "Twisted Storage" that would make it "twGoodies" and
> "twStorage", just my 2 cents.
>
> Gabriel
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 17:18:40 +1000
> From: Chris Miles <miles.chris at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
>        preserve a      Twisted trademark
> To: Twisted general discussion <twisted-python at twistedmatrix.com>
> Message-ID: <565B8780-8EEE-45B7-9A69-25E0F24E702C at gmail.com>
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>
> On 30/05/2008, at 4:34 PM, Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
> > glyph at divmod.com wrote:
> >> I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself,
> >> personally.  I think we need some word to fill that role (the one
> >> that "Py" fills for Python) but please feel free to suggest
> >> something else.  It doesn't have to be a full word - "Py" isn't.
> >> "Twi"?  (Quick, someone come up with a home lighting control
> >> project that uses twisted so we can have "TwiLight".)
> >>
> > I'm also not really fond of Twisty, why not just "tw"? For "Twisted
> > Goodies" & "Twisted Storage" that would make it "twGoodies" and
> > "twStorage", just my 2 cents.
>
> The "tw" prefix is already used by ToscaWidgets-related packages, see
> http://tinyurl.com/5sjyhu
>
> Cheers,
> CM
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:35:21 +0100
> From: Simon Pickles <sipickles at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
>        preserve a      Twisted trademark
> To: Twisted general discussion <twisted-python at twistedmatrix.com>
> Message-ID: <483FAE39.6020902 at googlemail.com>
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> Chris Miles wrote:
> >
> > The "tw" prefix is already used by ToscaWidgets-related packages, see
> > http://tinyurl.com/5sjyhu
> >
> >
> 'twd' says twisted to me...
>
> Si
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:08:58 +0100
> From: "Kuba Konczyk" <jakamkon at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] How-to raise errors with sshclient conch
>        example in Twisted book
> To: asset at impactdamage.com,     "Twisted general discussion"
>        <twisted-python at twistedmatrix.com>
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> 2008/5/30 asset <asset at impactdamage.com>:
> [...]
> >
> > When working the with sshclient.py example (from the Twisted book, and
> the
> > link above) I find the reactor hangs and does not raise an exception on
> > connection failures or failed authentication.
> >
> Try to turn on logging using twisted.python.log(sys.stderr).I would
> also suggest to put it after getpass in example you're using.
> For handling a connection failures have a look at
> clientConnectionFailed in ClientFactory and for a authentication
> errors receiveError in SSHClientTransport.
>
> >
> > TKiel
> jkk
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:52:30 +0100
> From: Michael <ms at cerenity.org>
> Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
>        preserve a      Twisted trademark
> To: twisted-python at twistedmatrix.com
> Cc: Tim Stebbing <tjstebbing at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <200805301052.31509.ms at cerenity.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"
>
> On Friday 30 May 2008 01:25:19 Tim Stebbing wrote:
> > why?
> >
> > I mean, if you trademark 'Twisted' and developer X goes and calls his
> > bit of code 'twisted foo' are you going to pursue him in court? To
> > what end?
>
> There's also defensive trademarking. If Linux (for example) had been
> trademarked early, this would never have happened:
>
>    In the United States, the name Linux is a trademark registered to Linus
>    Torvalds.[59] Initially, nobody registered it, but on August 15, 1994,
>    William R. Della Croce, Jr. filed for the trademark Linux, and then
>    demanded royalties from Linux distributors. In 1996, Torvalds and some
>    affected organizations sued him to have the trademark assigned to
>    Torvalds, and in 1997 the case was settled.[60]
> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Licensing.2C_trademark.2C_and_naming)
>
>
> Michael.
>
>
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